Quote:AlanMendelsonCasinos can ban you. But the money was paid.

Well, you asked if anyone was ever denied a handpay.

I consider having to call in DGE which forced GN to pay me being an example of having been denied a handpay.

If you are asking can they legally deny a handpay the answer is no hence my victory when calling in DGE

Quote:AlanMendelsonI think we all understand that what is considered to be a win in video poker is nothing more than a push.

Darkoz was correct in his post.

Obviously not, because DO compared a win in VBJ to a push in VP, as his basis for preferring VBJ over VP.

He asserted that a pair of Jacks is a win...but it's not, it's a push.

Pushes pay the same for both games, so how can that be a basis for preferring one over the other?

Quote:coachbellyHe compared a win in VBJ to a push in VP, as his basis for preferring VBJ over VP.

Pushes pay the same for both games, how can that be a basis for preferring one over the other?

No, you simply are wrong but if you wish to examine a win against a win because you don't think getting a pair of Jack's is considered a win then here goes.

VP:

Download $10 freeplay into machine.

Wager $10 freeplay on VP hand, winning combination is 2 pair. THAT PAYS 2:1 You are paid $20 and now have $20 in your VP machine. You did not get the initial $10 wager returned.

Video Blackjack

Download $10 Freeplay into machine.

Wager $10 Freeplay on a hand. Beat the dealer. GET PAID 1:1 INSTEAD OF 2:1 LIKE THE ABOVE VIDEO POKER EXAMPLE.

You now have $20 in cash. $10 from your win plus $10 from your initial wager.

EDIT: Most VBJ doesn't give 3:2 but if that was the case you would have $25 in cash returned. The $15 win from the winning blackjack plus the original Freeplay wager now returned as cash

Quote:darkozVP:

Download $10 freeplay into machine.

Wager $10 freeplay on VP hand, winning combination is 2 pair. THAT PAYS 2:1 You are paid $20 and now have $20 in your VP machine. You did not get the initial $10 wager returned.

Video Blackjack

Download $10 Freeplay into machine.

Wager $10 Freeplay on a hand. Beat the dealer. GET PAID 1:1 INSTEAD OF 2:1 LIKE THE ABOVE VIDEO POKER EXAMPLE.

You now have $20 in cash. $10 from your win plus $10 from your initial wager.

Are you asserting that after your FP redeeming exercise explained above, the $20 in a VP machine is not equal to the $20 in a VBJ machine?

Quote:coachbellyQuote:darkozVP:

Download $10 freeplay into machine.

Wager $10 freeplay on VP hand, winning combination is 2 pair. THAT PAYS 2:1 You are paid $20 and now have [b}$20 in your VP machine. You did not get the initial $10 wager returned.

Video Blackjack

Download $10 Freeplay into machine.

Wager $10 Freeplay on a hand. Beat the dealer. GET PAID 1:1 INSTEAD OF 2:1 LIKE THE ABOVE VIDEO POKER EXAMPLE.

You now have $20 in cash. $10 from your win plus $10 from your initial wager.

Are you trying to make the point that $20 in a VP machine is not equal to $20 in a VBJ machine?

I'm making the point that having to achieve 2:1 odds isn't the same as having to only achieve 1:1 odds for the same payout.

Quote:darkozI'm making the point that having to achieve 2:1 odds isn't the same as having to only achieve 1:1 odds for the same payout.

A $10 wager on JOB returns $20 for 2 pair...that amounts to your initial wager of $10, plus $10 won for the hand.

A $10 wager on a winning hand of VBJ returns your initial wager of $10, plus $10 won for the hand.

The results are the same.

The payouts may be labeled differently on the game, but you haven't achieved different odds, you haven't achieved anything different.

Quote:coachbellyA $10 wager on JOB returns $20 for 2 pair...that amounts to your initial wager of $10, plus $10 won for the hand.

A $10 wager on a winning hand of VBJ returns your initial wager of $10, plus $10 won for the hand.

The results are the same.

The payouts may be labeled differently on the game, but you haven't achieved different odds, you haven't achieved anything different.

Whether you like it or not, VP takes your initial wager and does not return it to you similar to a slot machine.

VBJ does return it similar to a table game.

Quote:darkoz

VBJ does return it similar to a table game.

VBJ takes freeplay or cash funded credits as coin in and pays cashable coinout credits.

0 for 1 for a loss.

1 for 1 for a push (tie).

2 for 1 for a win.

Various other payouts are possible in the event of splits and doubles.

I personally have never seen a VBJ machine "return" freeplay in the event of a push, but I suppose it could happen.

Quote:darkozWhether you like it or not, VP takes your initial wager and does not return it to you

What are you talking about?

If you wager 5 credits on JOB, your initial wager is returned to you for a pair of jacks.

What else do you think is happening?

VP returns your initial wager to you as part of the payout for any paying hand.

Quote:coachbellyWhat are you talking about?

If you wager 5 credits on JOB, your initial wager is returned to you for a pair of jacks.

What else do you think is happening?

VP returns your initial wager to you as part of the payout for any paying hand.

The Blackjack game is only a better bet when trying to convert free play into credits you can cash out. If you play a hundred hands at $1 each you will turn $1 in FP into $2 cash when you win, and $1 for ties. When using your own money, a push doesn't pay, but using FP ,it does